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improvement. Also, feel free to send in comments
regarding the requests below. 2010 Requests (see '09 series feedback & comments here): 1. Start the Senior A class behind the XC2 Expert Lites class (ahead of Novice classes). 2. Add pit bike race between kids and adult race - 15 min. or so on kid's course. 3. Add an ATV class. 4. Have a summer break unique event (non points payer). 5. Can't use DQ as one of the two drops. 6. Move the Beginners to the very back of the starting lineup. 7. Split the "motos" up more to help with traffic concerns. Possibly split into Experts, Novice, and Senior A in one moto...the rest of the main event classes in another. 8. Add 30+ classes to split up the Beginner classes and help with sandbagging. 9. Riders should be moved up by merit and results / not voluntarily. 10. Don't let someone younger than 14 ride in the Junior class. 11. Have the adults start at 8am in the hot months, youth & women start afterward. 12. Remove the optional extreme sections. 13. From the AR staff - reduce the work requirement for bonus point workers to race weekend only...instead of race weekend AND a previous work weekend. Helping out previous weekend(s) and/or the Fridays of race weekend would be much appreciated but not mandatory. 14. Allow 250 2-strokes in the Lites classes. 15. Riders that place 20th Overall or better in 2 races should be forced to move to XC1 / 2. 16. Riders that place 21st through 50th Overall in 2 races should be forced to move to Novice or Novice Lites. 17. Turn the "suggested" number plate background colors into a rule. 18. Set the courses up for slower speeds. 19. Split the women's class into 2 classes. 20. Remove work points from the overall standings. 21. Create a AA or Pro class for the top 10-15 riders. 22. Add 2 classes for next year- B-int and B lites class. 23. Use battery type transponders and monitor riders around the course. 24. Give holeshot awards. 25. PeeWee's need to ride more than MX track. 26. Make one event out of the year an endurance round & go up to 2-2.5 hours. 27. You cannot ride the race closest to your home address. 28. Give discount off the worker's next entry fee instead of work points. |
Reasoning / Other Responses:
#1, Start the Senior A class behind XC2 / in front of Novice classes: -Last season when the Senior class took off we would catch up to the other riders as soon as we hit the woods. Then we would spend most of the first lap trying to get around the slower riders. -I know that I pass the majority of the Novice riders in the first 1st or 2nd laps while it is pretty busy and it makes for some hairy moves. This is just food for thought and I can live with it either way. I am just looking out for each other here.
-Logic tells me a rider that signs up A class - Senior or not should
be starting ahead of the Novice riders. Starting behind the
Novice cost the A riders valuable time in the first 2 laps and ruins
their chance for a great overall finish.
#2 Add pit bike class:
-I like the idea of a pit bike race. It may encourage more
people to arrive early and get signed up. More riders are
playing with pit bikes lately. It could be fun.
#3 Add ATV class: -This would help diversify the series and bring a larger audience to the events. It will also open the series to more sponsors since there are a good bit of Louisiana ATV OEM MFGs such as Xtreme Products, Gorilla Axle, High lifter, and Submarine Snorkels just to name a few. Some of these companies have teams with factory backing. I think adding ATVs and getting some of these local Aftermarket OEM teams could elevate the status of the LACC series. -Just my two cents, but after riding Round 1 at Cypress
Creek I believe if ATV’s were allowed to run the same course
before the bikes it would have been a lot worse in the number of
mud bogs and near impassable crossings. -Hell no. ATV's would rut the course up and ruin it for bikes.
#4 Summer break unique event:
-During the summer break it would be cool
if there was a 4-6 hour race or a 100 mile event that could be
done as an Ironman or buddy race. It would not count towards
overall points, it would be a just for the hell of it. Since it
would be in the summer call it the "Hotter than Heck 100" or
something along those lines. #5 Can't use DQ as a drop: -If a rider is disqualified due to cutting he/she shouldn't be able to use that as one of the two drops.
-DQ should never be covered by a drop. Should be a penalty for
breaking rules. Whether cutting the course or any other
violation. If covered it teaches riders to cheat until they
get caught. Then just a drop & no harm is done to your chances
for a series championship. -If you're DQ'd you obviously broke a rule. No drop.
#6 Move the Beginners to the back of the starting lineup: -I agree!
#7 Split the Main Event up into two motos - Experts, Novice classes, and Senior A in one / the rest in another: -I agree. -Will put us leaving later in the afternoon on Sunday - just make the courses longer and/or longer offsets between classes.
-I like the split classes idea. In addition to traffic control
it would allow the riders to do some spectating. I think it
may work better if the kids, women's & Pit Bike classes could be run
on Saturday afternoon. Allowing more time to work with.
Also some riders may ride both days.
#8 Add 30+ classes: -...most 30+ guys have racing experience or multiple years
of riding experience with their buddies, but don't want to mix
it up with the faster younger guys in the novice class (or
faster classes) guys. That leaves most of them to sign up in
the Beginner class where they really don't BELONG because they
have been riding for many years...would help with the
overcrowding at the gate for the beginner classes which are
always the largest classes. Guys were all the way to the fence
in the beginner class...
#9 Don't allow riders to voluntarily move up to a higher class - riders should be moved up by merit and results. -not fair to riders
in the classes behind who have to pass - also a safety concern. #10 Don't allow a rider under 14 years old to ride in the Junior class. -I
agree! This class is for riders between the ages of 14
and 16 so keep it that way. -let them race but in addition to giving no points don't give trophy either -I disagree. Many 12-14 year-old boys are too large in size to ride the smaller bikes they would be limited to in the Vet and Intermediate classes. This would result in them not having a class to participate in...most AMA sanctioned Junior class age requirements are set at 12 years of age and limited to big wheels only. Allowing Kid Vet riders to participate in the Junior Class gives them an opportunity to get their feet wet for the Adult series they will soon be moving into...
#11 Have the adults start at 8am in the hot months, youth & women start afterward. -I
know we have made good efforts to avoid the summer runs with the
break but we still have races in June, August, and September even
with the break. I highly recommend that you move the starting times
in June, August and September for the adult races to 8-am. (like
enduros have done for 50 years) This would avoid the heat in these
warm months and accomplish the very same thing. It would also allow
the return trip home to begin earlier and avoid some returns well
into late night. Your northwest LA runs put us about 10-midnight
getting home with some needing to work or go to school the next day.
This would put the special classes that you normally run early
starting after the adults finish at 9:30 at 10am. About the same
time they start now.
#12 Remove the optional extreme sections. -For
the same reasons described on the '09
feedback page (#18).
#13 From the AR Staff: reduce the work requirements for bonus point workers. ---The
purpose of making this change would be to increase the amount of
helpers race weekend as the core staff can't be in multiple places
at the same time during the event. -I understand needing more help but most of the trail cutting is done prior to race weekend that's why you pick the venue closest to your location. Or offer full points for prior and race weekend and half points for race weekend only.
#14 Allow 250 2-strokes in the Lites classes. -I disagree, a large percentage of XC1, Novice and Beginner riders are on 250 2-strokes, so it's obviously a competitive motorcycle against 450F's. Allowing 250 2-strokes into the Lites classes would give a huge advantage to those riders, anyone on a 200 2-stroke or 250F would be giving up a lot against the 250 2-strokes. If riders are choosing 250s to go against 450F's, then 250's definitely don't belong in the Lites classes. -No keep them in open.
#15 Riders that place 20th Overall or better in 2 races should be forced to move to XC1 or XC2.
-I think there is way too much sandbagging in various classes.
I think that any rider that places higher than 20th
overall in 2 races should be forced to be in the XC1 or XC2 class,
period (regardless of age, gender, anything).
#16 Riders that place 21st Overall through 50th Overall in 2 races should be forced to move to Novice or Novice Lites. -same reason as above.
#17 Make it a rule to have colored backgrounds associated with each class, not just "suggested". -for those that don't have pre-printed backgrounds provide them with a precut background/number (rectangles) - have some extra printed out for those just signing up for the weekend. This will help riders recognize who they are really racing against and give a more professional / consistent look.
#18 Slow the courses down. -We enjoy the series tremendously, but if I could change anything it would be to slow down some of the long and open straightaways and flat out sections. Though I favor near-enduro conditions, I see the more open stuff as easier to lay out and popular with folks who lack experience or technical riding skills. The compromise position (in my view) is to keep the courses open for those scared of the woods, but to wind around enough that there's little or no high 4th-5th-6th gear sections. -Slow the courses down by simply turning the straight a ways back and fourth. I do not mean tighten em. It would not affect the motor crossers or off road riders. Simply make it safer especially on dusty races. The long straight aways allow too much speed, especially the dusty races in which we cannot predict. Many people I hang with all say the same. Put logs on the straight a ways. With an easy route around them. Then you Gotta slow down.
#19 Split the women's class into 2 classes - girls and women. -I agree, maybe have 16 years old and down in one called "Girls", above 16 years old "Women's" class. -Girls and women split is a good idea. Split by age seems fair. Skill level almost not possible yet. But as the top girls or ladies become better than maybe an "A" and "B". -Splitting the Women's class is much needed. The GIRLS CLASS should be 14 and under, small wheels only. This will ensure that these riders will not have to compete with the large wheel bikes. -I disagree we like to see a FULL starting line. -I agree.
#20 Remove work points from the overall standings. -The complete overall championship should be won by racing. Good for class wins though to promote work participation. It would also cut down the overall list quite a bit. Just a thought.
#21 Create a AA or Pro class for the top 10-15 riders and separate them from Experts XC1 and XC2. -Start the AA first of course. Assign the AA or expert classes new number plate colors. This opens up the riders in the expert classes to compete for awards who would not be able to do so otherwise. The top 10 riders are usually just competing for overall plates anyway and not places in the expert classes.
#22 Add 2 classes for next year- B-int and B lites class. -I think there are riders in both novice and beginner classes that need to move up, but won’t because, for the novice guys, they have to go straight to xc1. and the beginners see the novice class as being too stacked, thinking they have no chance there as well. -Agreed.
#23 Use battery type transponders and monitor riders around the course. -It's impossible to watch every section of trail to make sure no one is cutting the course - this would solve the problem.
#24 Give holeshot awards. -Sounds like a great idea. Maybe a free entry for each class for holeshot.
#25 PeeWee's need to ride more than just MX track. -[There are some rounds where the PeeWee's ride MX track only / some where they ride trails only] -I would rather not see my kids for a few minutes than have them do the entire mx track. By going into the woods this doesnt give any advantage to either the kids who race mx or the kids who are woods riders so to speak...
#26 Make one round of the year an endurance race and go up to 2-2.5 hours. -I suggest one of the events for the adult race be selected to be an endurance race; similar to SERA (which are usually 2hrs). So, how about a 2-2.5 hr race, but only one for the series? Just a thought -no, an hour and a half takes plenty of endurance.
#27 You cannot ride the race closest to your home address. -People "practicing" on the racecourse could give an unfair advantage. This was the rule in the original LA Hare Scramble series.. It will alleviate any issues you have like riders competing at their home track. It may possibly help increase your bonus point workers?
#28 Give discount off the worker's next entry fee instead of work points.
-Instead of points for work weekend take 20 dollars off the
entry fee of the next LACC race that he or she races at.
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